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we continue on. thank you for being with me. we begin with significant sign that michael flynn could be cooperating with mueller leading this russia investigation, a source says if flynn's lawyer have told the legal team they can no longer share information. it's not quite clear yet why flynn's lawyers made the move but one was about his willingness to cooperate with congressional investigators, seeking immunity for his testimony. let me jog your memory back to march. general flynn certainly has a story to tell and he very much wants to tell it. he goes on, no reasonable person who has the benefit and advice from council will to such highly witch hunt. let's go first here to our cnn
white house correspondent who was there traveling with the president in florida. how has the white house responded to this report? >> there is no question that general flynn is the closest member who is at the heart of this russia investigation. the lawyers are pushing back to any conclusions about this. one of the president's lawyers said this to cnn. he said no one should draw the conclusion that this means anything about general flynn cooperating against the president. we know as this investigation proceeds and mueller's moves towards its next chapter we know flynn is at the center of these conversations. you know, they are reporting that it is possible and even
more than that likely there is some type of some type of cooperation. we'll only find that out when this grand jury completes its investigation. the white house saying don't rush to conclusions on this. >> we'll have analysis on this in just a minute. we know we have been talking about this terror attack. several hundred people killed and injured in egypt and the president tweeted about it. we understand he is on the phone or about to call the egyptian president. >> we do know that, brook. this hour president trump is back after playing golf this morning for a few hours. we are expecting him to make a phone call in this hour to the egyptian president to, you know, condemn the terror attack and reach out in sympathy. the president has also seized to further his own immigration agenda. look at this tweet. he says i will be calling the president of egypt to discuss
the tragic terrorist attack with so much loss of life. we have to get tougher and smarter than ever before. god bless the people of egypt. the wall, the southern border wall with mexico to talk about domestic immigration and the travel ban does not include egypt. the president at the very lest con flating or seizing on this to try to further his own immigration here. we do know they will be having a call and once we get that we'll let you me what happened. >> thank you so much. by the way, we will take you to the attack scene and tell you what happened and if anyone claimed we responsibility here. let's go back to michael flynn and why he is such a key figure here in this russia investigation. general flynn lasted only 23 days. his first public statement was to put iran on notice.
>> president trump has severely criticized the various agreements reached between iran and the obama administration as well as united nations as being weak and ineffective. iran is feeling em boldened. we are officially putting iran on notice. >> you saw that was february 1. flynn resigned after a conversation he had with a russian ambassador. he denied he discussed u.s. sanctions with that diplomat. it showed flynn did in fact discuss a possible violation of law. it was the reason the acting attorney general warned the white house could be blackmailed by the russians.
for example flynn failed to initially register as a forbe agent. they received more than $500,000 from a turkish owned company. his firm was lobbying on behalf as flynn was getting classified intelligence briefings. flynn was the reason president trump pressured the then fbi director james comey. comey told congressional hearing that the president asked him to drop that russia investigation because of general flynn. we have not just one but two great perspectives to hash out this development. with me now a former ambassador to the che-- republic.
welcome to you john dean. you have been there. you turned against president nixon. when you hear this news that flynn's lawyers are no longer sharing information with team trump what does that tell you? is. >> my first reaction is to agree with what the new york times analysts said they thought it was an indication of cooperation. >> it could be another defense fund. we really don't know. i think it's wise how cautious. >> when you're cooperating what
enticed you to talk and comply? >> i had already broken up. fortunately all of that was recorded. that's really when i had try today brace them and tried to get them all to do the right thing. i told them i was going to go to the prosecutors and find out what they were looking at and did it very openly. they spent a month trying to figure out what to do with me. >> i'm sure we could talk on that for quite a while. to you, you know, you're such a fascinating voice because you me gauch gauche -- negotiated. tell me that story. >> well -- in my career as a white collar defender had the
occasion frequently to represent individuals who were under investigation including an individual being investigated by bob mueller's. we had a protracted negotiation. we exited the joint defense agreement and ultimately we arranged a cooperation deal. i'm a little less cautious than my friend john dean. i don't think that the cooperation has been signed and sealed yet necessarily but i think that's the most likely interpretation of what's going on here. and if that's correct then it's very bad news for president trump and those around him. >> and it's also my understanding that you say mueller may not give a deal to
flynn unless he implicates someone. >> that's correct. i had the opportunity years later of working with bob on an investigation. i know how he rolls. he is not going to hand out these cooperation deals like christmas candy. on the contrary -- and it's standard operating procedure you have got to rollover on somebody up the ladder. in the same way john cooperated against those above him and ultimately lead to the resignation of the president. i think mueller will want something on trump himself. >> wow. >> so taking that and john dean back over to you, if that is the case, if he has a roll on someone higher up the ladder, how do you know that a cooperating witness is telling
you everything he or she actually knows? >> there are conversations where the prosecutor has the gd idea ocht nature of the witness's testimony and there's a written agreement that will formalize that. so it's very hard to back down and the prosecutor has a good idea of what they are getting when they give that exchange. so that really isn't a mystery at all. it will be how effective he or she might be as a witness will be some what test but not fully tested. >> what about the mike flynn jr. factor? he has expressed concern recently over his son that prosecutors might bring charges against his son.
how might his son be a factor as he and his legal team move forward? >> brook, it's another classic prosecution tactic in order get your desired cooperator to flip. i defended someone in the enron case. it includes some of those working for bob mueller here. so you apply the pressure of the family members. it encourages the desired cooperate to to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. i think it could very well be going on here. >> so that's a potential. isn't it also so significant, we talked about charges all former trump associates but this is a
retired three star general. it is someone who has been loyal for so long and what he could potentially offer is much bigger than all three of the others. >> i think that's probably true and his time with trump is fairly extensive. he is there early in the campaign and then goes right into the white house with him. so yes, he is probably the strongest witness and looks like the one that mueller is most interested in. he already indicted manafort and there is probably talk before that was handed down. it didn't make him pause to with hold any indictment there. so i think, yes, this is a good witness with and if indeed this has happened it is going to change the dynamics of the case very radically. >> all right. thank you both so much. have a wonderful hopefully peaceful holiday weekend. appreciate you both.
>> thank you. also happening here, a major global summit will be held in india next week. the secretary of state is not sending a high level team and they say it is for one reason and one reason alone, because the president's daughter is leading this u.s. delegation. >> there have been obvious differences that you see between the state department and white house. those tensions are still there and they are being felt. trump is about to leave for
weekend for india. it is called a global entrepreneur and the women here is womens entrepreneurs. she was indicted on this. these sources say that tillerson and his and it is allowed to go and that the acting assistant secretary tillerson they don't love the fact that ivanka trump is leading the delegation and they don't want to bolster this. when you look at this trip in the past secretary kerry has gone more than once. it was kerry and secretary of
state and this year i asked a spokesperson who exactly is going. the list hasn't been made public yet but they did sent me a short list of top government officials and none of them were in the state department except for the u.s. ambassador. the state department is trying to cut back and there's no permanent for the region who has been confirmed. the responses we get are well, okay, if you'll send a small delegation then send the highest level person you can and cut back in other cays. a source says this is rex tillerson not loving this idea. i should add that the state department won't go on regard on this subject.
>> thank you so much. appreciate that. coming up next, terrorists detonating bombs inside this mosque in egypt and someone opening fire on ambulances who are responding. details who may be behind this attack. south korea punishes the soldiers that were unable to stop. what's happening to them and how the north is beefing up border security. remember how the economic crash
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the two world leaders expected to talk about the this attack at a mosque that killed 235 people and injured more than a hundred. at least two explosions drove worshippers out of a mosque where again men were waiting and started shooting. witnesses said the attackers shot at ambulances responding to the scene. lee who was just in the region last year, ian, has anyone claimed responsibility for this? >> so far no one has claimed responsibility. when we look at how this attack was carried out, who was target and the area this attack took place it bears an isis style attack. isis has been operating there for quite some time. this mosque in particular they
were targeting muslims which isis use as infidels. they have been targeting them in the past. egypt's president said they are looking for culprits responsible for this attack. they said that there's going to be a state of emergency at the highest level possible in the northern part as they try to find the people who carried this out. >> we know that both trump are supposed to be on the phone discussing this at this very moment. the relations under former president barack obama and they didn't see eye to eye.
president trump and president seem to be speaking a lot of the same language when it comes to combatting terrorism and they have grown relatively close. expect the u.s. to offer everything the u.s. needs. it is to use brutal force. following different attacks as we have over the past years, egypt always says they will go stronger and tougher. egyptian officials are worried that those militants might try to other places. >> thank you so much. we'll stay on it. next here on cnn, after this
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before getting stuck in the ditch before making across the demarcation line. the good news is he made it but not before being shot up at least five times. david is back with us today. cnn politics and national security politics. first and foremost when you hear they are replacing almost all of the soldiers guarding the border at the time, what does replacing soldiers in north korea mean? >> well, what it means is they are worried about the loyalty of the people who they had vetted more strongly than those who they vetted more than anyone else. these are the few that are in a position to defect fairly easily into the south and the ones that are most tested for their own loyalty. clearly by digging this trench they are trying to make it a lot harder for anybody that might
get inspired in the future. they have always had people who found a way out. they are having a hard time keeping their border guards in. >> a trench in planting trees, how -- this has to entice other soldiers if any of them get word that this happened. do you think we'll see others trying to defect as well? i think it will be a significant deterrent and they are making it harder. i think the bigger question, brook is we touched on briefly is does everything that we have seen happen the fact that the north is not sent off far while, the fact the president put them back on this kind of incident
make it harder or easier to get talks going? i don't see any way it makes it any easier for the united states to engage. i suspect you're going to see kim jong un dig deeper into his cocoon. >> what about russia? we know russia is attacking the u.s. for that state sponsor of terror designation. what do you make of the fact that russia is the one trying to tame tensions? >> i'm not sure. it's entirely possible that the russians have concluded that china is tired of dealing with kim jong un. it's certainly not making life any easier for it. i think putin has seen an opportunity here to do an opening to north korea partly to the united states and partly to give north koreans a way to buy oil or have internet
connections. it was to communicate around the world and of course north korea has ban significant source of cyber activity around the world so it's possible he sees this as another way to get in the way of u.s. diplomacy. >> great to be with you. coming up next, lawyers for general flynn say they will not be cooperating with trump's legal team anymore, what it means for the national security adviser and this russia investigation. also, the feds say a woman mailed bombs to former president obama and the current texas governor. one of them was just opened. details ahead.
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informed of the situation. >> she said michael flynn was potentialfully vulnerable to blackmail despite this urgent warning it seemed to be business as usual at the white house. flynn had been labeled a security risk yet the very next day he was seen walking with other white house staff along the colony. on january 28th, two days after the warning he was in the oval office as the president signed executive orders and while the president called but also putin. remember, at this point the white house is aware flynn is potentially compromised by russia. that same day the president tweeting out this photo, flynn standing right behind him. none of that was keeping what
should have been done in light of the warning about fly dpts nn. one telling cnn if there was concern a white house staffer may have been compromised that staffer should have been quote fire walled, separated from classified material and kept out of sensitive meetings of foreign officials. even firing sally yates after she made it clear she would not defend him. flynn mean while remained on the job. on february 1st general flynn was publicly condemning iran. >> we are officially putting iran on notice. >> and hiring more staff. >> the national security adviser announces additions. michael flynn joined a briefing and after a suicide bombing in afghanistan. >> to reaffirm or continued support for afghanistan and for
our strategic partnership. >> on that same day trump denying any connections to russia. i don't know putin and the haters are going crazy. on february 8th flynn denied u.s. sanctions. the next day a spokesman for flynn telling the post flynn couldn't be certain if the topic never came up. only after that did pence learn flynn had given him bad information and on february 10th days before flynn would be ousted trump was asked about flynn's connections to russia. >> what report is that? >> i'll look at that. >> on february 12th, hours before flynn would resign the president was golfing in florida
and more denooils from the west wing. >> yes. enjoy the full competence of president. >> and a short time later a difference take saying that the president is evaluating the situation. finally that afternoon 18 days after the white house had been warned about him retired army lieutenant michael flynn was officially out of a job. cnn new york. >> so has flynn flipped in the mueller investigation? joining me is baron. he is an attorney with this great legal perspective. so, you know, what does your get tell you on this? >> we don't know for certain but i believe he has stepped out which is a very unusual step it
they are very common. stepping out of them. i know white house council has tried to play think. i think one of the major keys is at the top of the mueller investigation. he goes long and deep so this is a major development. >> and kn-- the only way he wil offer any kind of deal is if he lols on someone up the poll which would be trump himself. do you agree? >> i would agree completely. i think it's taking a look at the position flynn is in.
it goes long and deep with the highest echelons with contacts in the russian government and trump administration. you can go back to 2015 where flynn had the dinner in russia with putin and there was a lot of contact with the government and he goes long and deep with some of the senior officials. when you go back he has had a long trusting relationship not only with the president but the president's children as well. i think no one is in a stronger position. >>. >> how much of a fact door do you think? his son could be imply call itted in some of this. >> that's a great point. i think the answer is absolutely yes. i would point us to the dc federal docket.
if you dig into that you will note when you go into the cases there are four consecutive sealed cases that are right there that are currently sealed and undisclosed. i predict that one of those cases is against general flynn and his son. i think you have hit the nail on the head. the fact that he sees his son in the cross hairs will be a major reason. it is a major new storm cloud. >> what would be the reason that manafort and flynn have blasted bob mueller so publicly? >> i think they are doing it because they think favor for a federal pardon. first of all i think the president will pardon them.
and a lot of these are parallel cases for state prosecutions. so i think they are try to go play the long game. they are really shooting themselves in the foot. it's never a good strategy. >> how do you know it is revealing anything here. >> the reason is because they know and talk to a witness they have a ground swell of documents they have gotten through documents and subpoenas and understanding how the witness is cooperating or not cooperating. one of the reasons they got him is because they had information they knew he was committing a violation of the false statements act. so they have all of the information at their hand.
it is gradual progression of how federal prosecutors tee up these kinds of cases. >> we'll all be watching very carefully to see how this goes and see if you were right about a couple of those things. thanks. >> my pleasure. coming up a woman accused of malg bombs to president obama and the governor of texas, how cat hair helped lead to her arrest. remember how the economic crash
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has been indicted for mail those bombs last year. the package sent to president obama was stopped before it ever made it to the white house, but governor abbot actually opened the mail -- the bomb himself. it did not detonate. listen to this, police linked the woman to each case by a few bungled details including hair from one of her cats found under a shipping label with her name on it. the suspect's attorney says her client has no comment at this time. >> imagine this, you're on a busy highway when it looks like a plane is about to crash and hit you. that is exactly what happened to one off-duty firefighter in california. cnn's stephanie elam tells us how the firefighter jumped into action, going beyond the call of duty. >> it happened so fast. >> reporter: it's 9:30 a.m., the friday before the 4th of july in orange county, california. john mefford is driving southbound on the 405, one of america's busiest highways at the start of a big getaway
weekend. >> my first glimpse is, wow, that train is really low. >> reporter: a plane is trying to return to the airport. >> i lost my right engine. >> and then my second glimpse is, i think this plane is going to hit me. all i see is a white flash haze. the wing came across the front of my car. i have like one big scrape all across the front with, like, one dent. >> reporter: but mefford, who happens to be a captain with the avalon fire department isn't thinking about that. he immediately starts running towards the plane which crashed on the highway and in flames just feet from the runway. >> i don't think there was going to be a survivor into n. that plane. until i saw the passenger, her head pops up just enough that i'm like, there is somebody alive. >> reporter: he ushers the female passenger to safety before pulling the pilot off the plane. >> just the two of you? >> reporter: they tend to the couple. both are injured but lucid enough to answer questions. >> just breathe, okay?
any back pain? >> both of them were pretty bloody. i was really amazed there weren't more injury to them. >> reporter: they both broke several bones in their back. to cnn frank said john was a hero. he went into a burning plane to save us. he saved my life and my wife's because i know she would have stayed trying to help me. >> do you play that moment over and over again in your head? >> i play all the what ifs, going slower or going faster. it could have been a different turnout. we just had lots of angels. so i feel very blessed that i was safe and i was able to render care to them. >> reporter: an instance of the right place, right time measured in millimeters and seconds, stephanie elam, cnn, avalon, california.
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